what we're looking at here is right now a revolution turned civil war. so this is going to go on for some time, and that's why some of the bigger curves that -- countries that i referred to earlier that he might make a deal with, russia, iran or north korea, for him to get out and get away there's really only one cup that the world would, i think, allow to make b that deal, and that's the russians. patti ann: what role should the u.s. have in all of this? >> i think the u.s. should provide intelligence to whomever is going to try to make that deal, because what we need to do is we need to locate, fix and then eventually destroy his wmd capability and his chemical weapons. because we cannot let that stuff get out into the terrorist networks of the world in any quantities at all. patti ann: well, right. and as you mentioned, this is a civil war. >> yeah. patti ann: if assad exits, it's far from over. there are various possible outcomes here. do you see the rebels, though, being able to forge some kind of a government that can work with itself? >> it's poss